Comments for Why a Pre-Trib Rapture? at http://www.bereanwatchmen.com , comment 1 to 5 out of 5 comments http://www.bereanwatchmen.com Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:35:01 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.bereanwatchmen.com/j.r.lawendowski/why-a-pre-trib-rapture.html#comment-111 One of the proofs that The Rapture is Pre Trib is what our LORD said about S & G. There are those who say our LORD NEVER spoke about Homosexuality but HE did. He spoke about Sodomy when in the End Time, the world will be like S & G when those people will force others to do what they want without anyone or anything to stop them. Satan would love to get his hands on all those who are truly The Bride of Christ. But our LORD will never let him do this. `Jesus Christ is Coming Soon` - Kenneth Tremble Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:50:33 +0100 http://www.bereanwatchmen.com/j.r.lawendowski/why-a-pre-trib-rapture.html#comment-21 Yikes...don't know what happened with the link but here is is again [url="http://www.bereanwatchmen.com/j.r.lawendowski/thy-kingdom-come-part-i-a-study-of-the-olivet-discourse-7.html"]Thy Kingdom Come[/url] (You can also click on "Studies/Articles" up on the top nav, then to my studies and its in the list). There isn't a short answer to this per se. You have to consider all kinds of verses to deal thoroughly with this. Understanding the Day of the Lord is one part. Comparing the events in Matthew 24:29-30 and 1 Thess 4:16-18 is another. Starting there and looking at the details of them do you see a difference? A quickie answer is this: "those who endure" are those who become saved during the tribulation. I know this happens due to Rev 7:9 and the events surrounding the Second Coming. Saved people, believers enter the millennial reign of Christ in their natural bodies (remember from Isaiah 65 which describes the millennium). If the Rapture occurs at the end of the Tribulation there is no one in a natural body left as at the Rapture we know believers (dead and alive) receive a glorified body (1 Cor 15:51-58 and 1 Thess 4:16). We also did a study of the Restrainer from 2 Thess 2. I would encourage you to read that as well. Test what we've written against Scripture, I believe you will see it stands. - J.R.Lawendowski Wed, 20 May 2009 17:55:50 +0100 http://www.bereanwatchmen.com/j.r.lawendowski/why-a-pre-trib-rapture.html#comment-20 Thanks for your response, I tried to view the "Thy Kingdom Come" article but I was unable to view it. If you could send it to me I'd love to read it. Back to the Matt 24 passage, starting at verse 29. Can you please shed some light on this verse? Again when you consider the chronological order of verses 3-28 and who Jesus is speaking to (His disciples) it would seem that after the "elect" have gone through this tribulation then they are raptured. In 2 Thes chapt 1,2 passage again it appears to have a chronological order, the curch suffering tribulation the falling away, then the son of perdition revealed then the DAy of the Lord. It appears to me that the church "endures" judgement through the tribulation and "immediately after" the tribulation the church is raputred and on the Day of Lord at the Last trumpet those who are left behind and refused to repent experience the wrath of God. I just can't seem to find any crystal clear scripture that explain the church being raptured before the tribulation. Can you please help clarify that for me and also what "those who endure to the end" means? Thanks! - Clifford Griffin Wed, 20 May 2009 16:32:00 +0100 http://www.bereanwatchmen.com/j.r.lawendowski/why-a-pre-trib-rapture.html#comment-9 Hi Clifford, I would encourage you to peruse the article called [url=http://www.bereanwatchmen.com/j.r.lawendowski/thy-kingdom-come-part-i-a-study-of-the-olivet-discourse.html]"Thy Kingdom Come"[/url]. I do indeed feel that Matthew 24 is cronological in nature and when laid out side by side with Mark, Luke and Revelation it clarifies it. A thing to consider is all the aspects of what is discussed in Matt 24:30 etc and the rapture passages found in Thessalonians etc. In light of the details two separate events are being described. I would ask for you to consider it and I look forward to seeing your comments on the matter. Serving my King Joe - J.R.Lawendowski Fri, 08 May 2009 18:21:06 +0100 http://www.bereanwatchmen.com/j.r.lawendowski/why-a-pre-trib-rapture.html#comment-7 Thank you for your article it was very insightful. I have a question regarding this view and Matthew 24. Should this this chapter(or at least vs 3-31) be taken as being chronological it would appear that the "rapture" isn't until after the tribulation. Jesus references what seems to be His followers delivered up to death and being hated, the elect not being deceived, and the days being shortened for the sake of the elect, and then immediately after the tribulation His coming to gather the saints. So this is my question and I've never been able to get a definitive answer, if there is a pre tribulation rapture and the whole world witnesses Jesus gathering His saints,and then Jesus comes back at the end of the tribulation, wouldn't that be a 2nd & a 3rd coming? I know the bible doesn't contradict itself and the apostles preached and wrote about what they learned directly from Jesus himself so I'm a little confused at how it appears that Jesus spoke of the elect going through the tribulation and enduring to the end, but we're taught in so many congregations that we'll be delivered from it all. Please clarify. My fear is that if there is no pre trib rapture that many in the faith will fall away, and be offended and betray one another and believe false prophets. It seems that especially in American churches we're being prepared for a "bailout" from judgement instead of "enduringn till the end" whatever that end may be. I'm married have a 2 year old daughter and one on the way, I want to make sure I'm preparing them to endure suffering but the churches are teaching that we won't have to suffer because we'll all be raptured. That seems to be a contradiction. Any clarification you could give would be most appreciated. My the Lord bless you and keep you! - Clifford Griffin Thu, 07 May 2009 23:58:23 +0100